Thursday, September 20, 2012

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Ngozi Angeline Godwell After working with a family, social services decides that it is not in the best interest that a toddler to remain with their mother. The young mother has REAL mental health problems, is on medication and also on sleeping tablets. Social services spent over a year working with the WHOLE family. Social services then approach the grandmother to take the toddler, but demand that the grandmother must not have any involvement with her daughter. Grandmother refuses stating that she and her daughter are close and cannot do without each other. Child is eventually adopted. Is this me, am I going around like I have balls made of steel? I would have taken my grand child and occasionally met up with my daughter in secret. I would have supported my child and taken the toddler and raised him. After a few years we would go to court and make an application for contact between a mother and her child. I the grand parent would have supported the application, so there would not be any problem. Why turn your back on your grandson, then spend over a year fighting in the family court circus, when you said NO? The child is now lost, gone. Unlike · · Share · about an hour ago · You and Connie Edgington like this. Rebecca Ward Social services are so under-educated! I bet if the shoe were on the other foot, they might wake up!!! about an hour ago · Like Ngozi Angeline Godwell Go on Rebecca Ward your views are important. Your wake up point is relevant ... mother is taking a number of meds for her problems, including sleeping tablets .... about an hour ago · Like Rebecca Ward I can only go on facts and more in debt of what the social workers observed within that year of observation, but as my personal opinion, meeting the daughter secretly is not abiding by the laws but there's another problem, the Justice System has many flaws and under-educated folks as well. It would all depend on whether or not the biological mother is abusive to the child to whether she would have restricted visitation with her child. As for the grandmother, if she can prove she is worthy of taking care of the child and abides by all the rules and regulations, I personally think that would be in the best interest of the child simply because she has grandmother rights but she has to abide and not break rules! Breaks my heart to see any child go to Foster care or be taken away from their immediate family because it messes their lit'l heads up but the whole point is 'What is in the best interest of the child?' 55 minutes ago · Like Jessica Lynn Hepner You tell them what they want to hear and you show them what they want to see, and then with out there knowledge you have contact with your daughter. What they don't know wont hurt you... Ngozi Angeline Godwell you are absolutely right here.... 43 minutes ago · Like Ngozi Angeline Godwell "meeting the daughter secretly is not abiding by the laws" - So far there was no law stating she cannot, only the comments of social services and Guardian. Rebecca, meeting your lovely child, who has committed NO crime is not breaking the law, unless the grandmother takes her grandchild with her? 'What is in the best interest of the child? To be with their parents or family. Whether they are rich or poor. No one is perfect. I have learnt from some parents who have and will always have SS on their backs, that it is a game with social services. Play the game and keep your children. Is this true? 41 minutes ago · Edited · Unlike · 1 Rebecca Ward I understand your point here Jessica, but I don't agree with it simply because your gonna be watched and if the grandmother has the child and she is caught sneaking around to allow the daughter to see him, where would you be then? You wouldn't get another chance!!! Why not abide by the laws, show them you are concerned about the lit'l one and let the daughter have healing time and go from there. The son was taken away for a reason and if the mother is any danger to her child and you allowed the child to see her and she hurt him, where would the grandmother be then? They do have restricted visitation you know and if it's not applicable at this time, maybe in time it will be. It's really hard to voice an opinion when we really don't have all the fact! 34 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward If comments from social services and guardians is all that was made, what is the problem with the mother seeing her child? Is there concrete evidence against the mother? Has she ...See More 31 minutes ago · Like Ngozi Angeline Godwell " if the grandmother has the child and she is caught sneaking around to allow the daughter to see him, where would you be then?" Rebecca we are not stating this. Any good barriste...See More 30 minutes ago · Like Jessica Lynn Hepner Do you honestly think CPS abides by the laws? No one stated that the child would be with her when she saw the daughter and secondly if there is no official court order stating the mother cannot see the child, then there is no law being broken now is there? As for let the daughter have healing time she has mental illness not a disease there is no real healing time. If there was any possibility that the mother hurt or would hurt her child then wouldn't there be legal actions taken? And if it is so hard to voice an opinion when you don't have all the facts then why are you saying anything? 28 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward Just to set the record straight, the best interest of the child is not always with the parents or family! I have seen many families abuse and neglect their children to no end so I disagree! In many cases I would agree. Not enough to go on!!! I do agree with any contact between mother and child be applied through the court system with full support of the grandmother as long as no harm can be brought to that precious lit'l one, but you have to abide by the rules and sneaking around is not abiding! 26 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward Jessica, two wrongs dont make a right!!! If we all broke laws just because someone with authority did, where would we be? Eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth, etc., js 24 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward My personal opinion is that someone needs a good attorney out of state!!! If someone took my children away from me just because I take medications, I would be angry but I would hi...See More 20 minutes ago · Like Jessica Lynn Hepner Have you ever lost a child to Child Protection Services? You have no clue what these people are capable of, they lie under oath, they fabricate evidence. Their goal is no longer about whats in the best interest of the child, it is about how they can destroy the family. That and how much money they can make per child. 19 minutes ago · Like · 1 Rebecca Ward I agree Jessica! This is where we have to out smart them! Do your homework and pull ghost out of the closets cause we all have em you know... 18 minutes ago · Like Ngozi Angeline Godwell "Just to set the record straight, the best interest of the child is not always with the parents or family!" You need to read my comment again. Even if there is neglect, which parent is not neglectful sometimes. I did not mention families who abuse and neglect their children no end ... Sometimes children are better off with their family instead of being place in foster care. Do you think foster care is Butlins? Once you cut a child off from their family. This is emotional and mental abuse; which will harm the child forever in a negative way. Sometimes it is best that the child stays where they are an the family is given support. Baby P is different no one wanted to help, because where were they going to place him.. so they ignored him 17 minutes ago · Like Jessica Lynn Hepner what about two wrongs don't make a right. I did my research and then some the fact of the matter is Child Protection Services is above the law. 16 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward I started studying Criminal Justice 4 yrs. ago because the Justice system is lacking in education and is crooked as hell!!! We have to stand up for our rights and many of those have been taken away from us...Sad but true!!! 16 minutes ago · Like · 2 Jessica Lynn Hepner That is all we are trying to do here, is stand up for our rights as parents... 14 minutes ago · Like · 1 Ngozi Angeline Godwell Jessica is correct once a child is taken it is about their jobs. Rebecca let no one hoodwink you into believing otherwise. Care Proceedings: Public Law! Public law is about the wrong doing of an authority. Of course they will commit crimes against your family to save their jobs. 14 minutes ago · Unlike · 1 Rebecca Ward I think Foster Parents now days are all in it for the monies! Many of them could care less...I would take the lit'l darlin and raise him myself if I could cause that baby don't deserve this!!! and yes I agree Jessica, we have to stand up for our rights as parents but we have laws to abide by...Loop holes work for law so why couldn't it work for us as parents. I say dig all you can on the scum bags and fight for what you believe in!!! 11 minutes ago · Like Jessica Lynn Hepner That is what were are doing and during this process were are educating other parents so they do not make the same mistakes that we made. And to offer support because life in the web of CPS is hell. 9 minutes ago · Like Rebecca Ward You got your answer Ngozi, everyone slips up so be there to hook them when they do!!! We can't beat them fighting them in court unless you can have dirt on them! 8 minutes ago · Like · 1 Rebecca Ward I definitely agree Jessica... 7 minutes ago · Like Ngozi Angeline Godwell Rebecca Ward Criminal Law wow! Respect.. In the Family Court child care proceedings all a different matter .. I prefer to be stand trial in a criminal court for any allegations of child abuse, because the family court MUST produce all evidence of any wrong doing and submit the evidence into the criminal proceedings. In my case there was none and when it came to the evidence of the expert psychiatrist from the family court, the judge all barristers binned it stating that it was not worth the paper it was written on. It is against the law to introduce the evidence of the criminal proceedings into the the family court until the end of the criminal matter. 7 minutes ago · Like